Snopes.com Pontificates on The Post & Email’s AP Story
The Post & Email published
PROVIDES NO REASONABLE BASIS TO DOUBT REPORT
News commentary by John Charlton
(Nov. 21, 2009) — Shortly before it was reported that The Post & Email andother sites received harassing emails from an IP number just a few miles from the registered address of the domain name, “Snopes.com,” Snopes.com published a critique of The Post & Email’s report on the AP 2004 Story which named Obama “Kenyan-born”.
Though they decided to issue a commentary on The Post & Email’s report, they did not attribute their citation of our story to The Post & Email — they claim to have received it by email — even after it was brought to their attention. Perhaps, they chose not to do so, lest their own readers be led to the original story. The Post & Email does not fear facts, so you can read the Snopes.com commentary at their own site.
But since a good number of individuals have asked us to respond to the Snopes.com article, we will do so.
Snopes.com’s Critique founded on a childish flaw in their method of historical analysis
First of all the Snopes.com article provides no documentation to prove their interpretation of the historical document: the East African Standard’s Sunday Edition Report, which cited the AP as its source. They simply open their puerile analysis with the word “False” in disproportionately large bold-faced letters, and they claim, basically, that since the current version of the AP article available from the AP does not call Obama “Kenyan-born,” therefore, the AP story never contained it and that the African newspaper added it on their own, erroneously.
It should be obvious to highschool students that you cannot use the current version of an article at AP, which does not claim to be the original version or the unedited version, to argue that the article by the East African Standard is not what it claimed to be: there is a disparity of historical consistency. One must use documents which are known to have existed in June 2004 to argue or dispute facts claimed in other documents from that same month. AP could have published different versions of their story, included keywords, or redacted the version after the 2008 election. There is a lack of documentation in their critique of The Post & Email report, to prove what Snopes.com claims actually happened. Their dismissal of the East African Standard’s report, therefore, is unfounded, unproven, uncertain, and gratuitous.
Facts can only be disputed with facts
What is known, is that a newspaper in Kenya in 2004 said Obama was Kenyan-born, in a report attributed to Associated Press International. At least 4 other African news outlets reported the same attributions for the next 4 years, and still make this claim. Snopes.com has no answer for that, because according to the ancient adage, “Against a fact there is no argument!“
The Post & Email speaks with Press Corps informant
The Post & Email asks how is it that the East African Standard knew of Obama’s senatorial race in 2004?
We asked a retired member of the national press corps, and he explained that syndicated news stories are sold with keywords or summaries; news agencies which subscribe to their services purchase rights to republish stories according to these keywords. If that practice prevailed in 2004, it would explain how a paper in Kenya heard of Obama, only if they had purchased notifications regarding the key word “Kenya” or “Kenyan”. Otherwise, it does not seem reasonable to conclude that a Kenyan paper watches senatorial races in Illinois. Nor, that they read through all the AP stories syndicated, to find one in which the word “Kenyan” or “Kenyan-born” never existed.
Other ways Kenyan paper could have heard of Obama
Another possibility is that the Kenyan newspaper was informed about the news of Obama’s candidacy, and chose to feature an AP story which they subsequently published. We will never know the paper trail on why the Kenyan newspaper did this, or what they did, because the supporters of Obama’s cousin, Odinga, made a point to burn the Kenyan newspaper’s HQ down in 2006, destroying all records of their communications.
Did an overly zealous Kenyan in Chicago telephone or email back home and alert them to the story? Did the newspaper get a phone call from Odinga suggesting that they run this story? Did the Obama campaign get a phone call from the Newspaper prior to the publishing of the AP story in their paper, and convey that Obama was “Kenyan-born” as a sort of fact to prove that their mulatto candidate had true African credentials?
Just how did the Kenyan newspaper hear of Obama? Until that question is asked, one cannot have recourse, as Snopes.com does, to the accusation that the Kenyan Standard added this attribution, “Kenyan-born” to the story.
Even if Snopes.com were to prove that only the Kenyan paper named Obama Kenyan-born, being that the latter is in Kenya and can request verification of births or interview locals who knew Obama’s family, its use of the term “Kenyan-born” would be, nonetheless, authoritative.
To illustrate this, let us take the example of a famous individual, Adolf Hitler. If American newspapers called him “German-born,” and one newspaper in Vienna, Austria, said he was “Austrian-born,” would it be sufficient to say that the Austrian paper was wrong, simply because the American newspapers all say differently? No; a reasonable and impartial observer would say, “If his family is Austrian, as his relatives claim, certainly the newspaper in Vienna would know who is Austrian and who is not, after all Vienna is the capital of Austria!”
For this reason Snopes.com’s attempt to disprove the story by claiming the African paper alone named Obama “Kenyan-born” is itself illogical. The contrary would be true, it would give weight to the truth of the statement.
The Post & Email remains vindicated
Snopes.com facile and puerile rejection of the facts shows that they are not a reliable site, either for information or for reasoning. The Post & Email’s story, which as of today has been read by more than 43,000 individuals at our site, was republished worldwide on the Internet without our urging, and has been read by millions of internet users. As of today no member of the press corp has contacted us to dispute the report. Nor have the original authors of the report denied the attribution of “Kenyan-born” in the East African Standard’s republication of the AP article.
According to the ancient dictum, “He who remains silent, consents,” it must be concluded that there was some basis to the story and some motive for it. The Post & Email rightly attributed this to the Obama Campaign’s action or inaction: because if the Obama Campaign did not contact these news outlets for 5 years, asking them to correct their reports, it is only because they wanted Obama to be seen as “Kenyan-born.” At no time did The Post & Email claim in its report, that Obama was born in Kenya: it confined itself to the documents of history published by news agencies.
Only now, do some exremely far-left supporters of Obama, find it embarassing that his Campaign has acted as it has done. Is this because they recognize that the facts prove Obama ineligible to be President, or at least worthy of impeachment? If the 2004 AP story did not frighten Obama’s supporters, Snopes.com would not be attempting to debunk it, even if they only manifested their lack of impartiality and right reason in their failure to debunk The Post & Email’s coverage of the story. The facts remain, 5 African news organizations published stories from 2004-2008 in which the “Kenyan-born” attribution is given to Obama; and in each story, they cite the AP as their source. For Snopes.com to attack The Post & Email’s reporting of this historical fact, only manifests their desperation. For them to dismiss it without evidence, shows that their reputation as a information source is very unreliable.
Charlton has proven to be a liar over and over. He’s banned from Leo Donofrio’s site for lying. Donofrio made a statement about it.
Also, the AP has already said none of their articles had the ‘Kenyan” attribution and the African papers who picked up the AP story added the ‘kenyan’ part on their own to make it more interesting for their readers. ONe of the papers apologized.
Charlton is a liar. Enough of him.
the more facts you get about something, the tighter you cling to the lies in your head. YOu’re like tiny children.
marshall excellent way of showing someones way of lying….. ” with the more facts you get the tighter you cling to the lies in your head ! ” How true. I t hink you just described a true liberal.
Marshall are you a fire marshal? do you not know that I be a friend of yours Are you going to put out the fire of Charlton and the likes of Morgan Ward are you up to the task??? and is your aim high or low and have you adjusted for your windage???
RIDICULE IS A MAN’S MOST POTENT WEAPON…. saul alinsky……. A FROG HAS his pond BUT can’t see the lake …because of the RIVER///…WIKIPEDIA AND SNOPES are about as reliable as the hearst owned…. NEW YORK TIMES….I FOR one.. AM still waiting for obama’s colb TO BE STAMPED ”””ACCEPTED”” aren’t you?
So Pastor Charles you know this guy? Hum,Very interesting. So he can not truly see the forest from the trees. He must be one of those ZeBats. Most monkeys do climb the same tree and hang by there tails from it.
Like the birds of the air do flock together with the same song that is repeated over and over again. But if you spit in the wind it comes back in your face. But if you crack an egg does a chicken come out? Or will it ever became a real chicken or just an egg?
Less be the it more convinced that the roosters not doing his job. For the rooster fluffs up it’s feather before a fight. Could it be more evident then saying the rooster needs to be put in the pot and cooked for dinner?
One often wonders the same thing about Liberals. They fluff up there feathers and crow about nothing. By that tune he often finds his keyboard more soothing than a weapon. For most Liberals are scared of Guns. Oh if you have a gun it might jump up from the table and shoot me… I never heard such stupidity in my life. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.
Every crime committed against American’s are hate crimes. To be the part of America you need to stand on the Constitution as law. To say anything else as law is dumb in the since of the Constitution. Our laws come from God not man.
I’m convinced that Liberals have no brains and are followers of the same feather. They must be lead by the ring in there nose. At the same point look at Waxman he has been lead all his life by his nose. That’s why he looks like a pig. Better know by as Piganoskey.
To say the Demorats have common since I don’t believe that for a minute. If they had common since they would not be Demorats. The repubicant’s Have no more since then the Demorats. Two of the same coin.
They all try to convince us that they are different from each other. But we look and see no difference between the two party’s. We see clearly now that the smoke has cleared. The ones that still live in a fog are going to be still trapped in that fog when things break loose.
To those that want to still remain in a sinking ship as you throw them a life raft to help. Let them sink I say with the ship. If they refuse to grab hold of that life raft and join us.some much the better If not they can go down upon the ship.
Jesus is the light that lightens my path.
I stand in wait !
Lynn Dartez
Lynn you have hit the nail on the head…. Liberals are not common sense orientated! Sometimes they do come up with some interesting arguments (lies).