Analysis of Dr. Edwin Vieira’s proposal
Just now we have started a discussion under “Important Republication: IF NOT NOW, WHEN? - By Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr., Ph.D., J.D.” dealing with Dr. Viera’s earlier proposals. Morgan and myself arrived at the conclusion that we have passed the stage in which the conspiracy of tyranny and usurpation could be defeated by legal and/or political means. His new proposals as included in the follwing article are certainly interesting and worth discussing even though personally I feel they don’t change too much to the situation as we have identified it.
- David Crockett
The Post & Email published
TO REGAIN THE NATION, THROUGH POWER OF THE PURSE AND POWER OF THE SWORD
by John Charlton
(Oct. 31, 2009) — Dr. Edwin Vieira proposed in July that American citizens aghast at the Marxist take over in Washington, D.C., should focus their efforts on Constitutional reform through emphasis of State sovereignty in two crucial areas.
His proposal takes this form:
The basis steps in the strategy are straightforward:
1. Identify a State in which a sizeable segment of the population will support—yea, will demand—two measures:
(a) regaining the Power of the Purse through the introduction of an alternative-currency system based on silver and gold; and
(b) regaining the Power of the Sword through revitalization of “the Militia of the several States” in that State.2. Draft comprehensive legislation for this purpose exactly as it needs to be enacted—thus embodying fully and precisely what We the People themselves demand, not some crumbs that legislators deign to throw to them.
3. Find patriotic, courageous, and sagacious legislators to introduce the bill and shepherd it through the legislative process.
4. Mobilize a mass of grass-roots activists, not only from that State but also from all over the country, to lobby for the legislation. Because the first State is the starting-point for reform throughout America, every patriot in every State has a vital interest in seeing the reform legislation enacted there.
5. If the bill does not pass, in the very next election remove from office as many as possible of those legislators who voted against it, replacing them with new legislators pledged to carry the reform to completion—legislators drawn from among We the People themselves, not from the ranks of professional politicians. The crucial, if not the only, issue in the election must be the candidates’ support for the reform legislation.
6. Return to step 3, and reiterate this process until the bill finally passes and is signed into law.
Since the success of any effort consists partly in understanding the obstacles that lie in its path, lets consider these point by point.
1. Identify a State that will take back the Power of the Purse & Sword
We have already seen Wyoming and Kentucky take a step toward this in their approval of legislation which would allow gun manufacturing in state, for sale in state only; without the regulation of Federal gun laws. The rationale for this legislation is that the States are sovereign, and therefore have the right to regulate their own internal commerce, independently of all federal intrusion.
This concept is the same for regaling the power of the Purse and Sword.
Let’s consider each, separately, for starters:
How to regain the Power of the Purse
The U.S. Constitution lays down that only currency in gold or silver shall be legal tender. This is a fundamental rule for financial independence and market stability, because bankers cannot control the money supply and use their banking charters to invent new fiat-money out of thin air, by loaning more money than they have.
When the economy is based on Gold or Silver this is not possible, to a certain extent; that is, if the actual currently is gold and silver.
However, the current money supply in the U.S.A. far exceeds the value of all the gold and silver mined today in the entire world. So the first solution, is the money supply solution.
The modern economy requires banks; loans, mortgages, money. The problem in American is that there is a overvaluation of costs for financial services because there is speculation in these financial products. The first solution therefore is to end speculation in commodities and financial products, and to establish a State Bank for each sovereign State.
One ends speculation in commodities by passing a law which forbids the sale or purchase of commodity futures by any individual other than the consumer of those commodities. Thus no one can buy a pork future, other than meat processing industries or companies; no one can by an oil future but refineries; no one can but a gold or silver future but jewelry companies and others which use the metals.
Second one ends the speculation in financial commodities by requiring mortgages to remain with the banks which issue them; and by establishing laws which prevent out-of-state influence, purchase or ownership of instate banks. All perfectly legal.
Third one outlaws a banks authority to loan more money that it has; and establish a State Bank which is controlled by elected, not appointed officials.
Fourth one guarantees the integrity of state elections by outlawing the spending of any monies raised out of state for instate elections or federal elections in state. This will prevent foreign influence in the elections, and thus assist the result that the ones elected to supervise the State Bank will serve the people.
Fifth, such a bank must have transparent reporting, open accounts and pubic audits, reporting every quarter to the people of the state: all financial relations between the State bank and private banks in state or out-of-state must be publically reported as well. No secrete deals, an equal playing field for all who seek a loan.
States that are leading gold and silver producers, and which might be likely to restore their own State currencies are Idaho, Alaska, Arizona, New Mexico and California.
However all the Silver mined in the U.S.A. is only worth about have a billion dollars; while the money supply — the amount of cash and money changing hands every day — in the U.S.A. is estimated to be about 700 Billion in cash, and another 17 Trillion on account in banks, or invested, or in electronic form.
So you can see that a gold or silver based currency today, while feasible, must understand that the term of the unit of currency is fixed to the price of gold or silver, not that gold or silver would be exclusively used, because if it were, there would not be enough money to go around.
The State Bank would have exclusive authority to mint and stamp the State Currency, and see to it that the local private banks are adequately supplied with currency for their daily activities.
[I add this as my own suggestion: that the Bill should include a statement of the necessity of powers to protect the State’s sovereignty, among which powers is the exclusive right to collect State and Federal Taxes; any Federal Taxes collected, after fulfiling Federal Mandates and accepting that part of it as determined by the funding allocated to the State by Congress, will be passed on to Washington. That will ensure the proper balance between the States the Federal Government; because when you got someone by the throat, you got him! — It will also greatly increase the State’s control over its own budget, which is an essential right of state sovereignty. Not to mention every citizen will be glad to give IRS the boot from their state!]
How to regain the Power of the Sword
This is a lot easier to resolve. It requires simply a bill in the State legislature, approved by the Governor, allowing each town or country to establish a volunteer Militia unit(s). Let civic pride lead the way in competing with other towns: let ex-U.S. Military be the officers and key members. Let it be strictly volunteer, with the state offering no funding at first. That way legislators cannot balk at the funding. Make these State Militias capable of assisting local law enforcement during natural disasters and crises. Have scheduled training exercises, and establish State Militia military bases, in ex U.S. Federal Military bases. The State could appoint a Chiefs of Staff and have Army, Navy, and Air Force contingents, much like the U.S. Armed forces do.
2. Draft complete Legislation
As can be seen from many years of experience, you cannot get a decent bill through a state legislature if you let the legislators play games with it. Therefore there has to be formed a think-tank to work out the exact text of the Bills to re-establish these 2 powers: so that they are not subject to meddling or gutting by special interest lobbyist who will surely descend with NWO money stuffed into their briefcases, to peel away legislative support.
Such a think tank should include legal scholars, political activists and learned citizens which are not party affiliated: for if you bring a party zealot to the table, what you discuss in the morning will be faxed at noon to the halls of power of the NWO elite. Of course, Dr. Vieira could be asked to be a consultant to such a think-tank. Concerned citizens can study their state constitution and laws: and in a short time, if they read these completely assist with the preparation: but it will take a full-time effort of patriots, sacrificing their private lives for the good of the state, to achieve this in the time necessary — for it is short. Those with training in the law should be sought out, and their counsel followed, to avoid problems which would kill the bill later one, say if it is appealed to the State Supreme Court.
3. Find patriotic, courageous, and sagacious legislators
This will be the hard part, because there are few of these already in office. However, if you ask them some simple questions, you can easily find out if they are such men:
Q1. “Which do you put first, the interest and welfare of the citizens of this State, or that of those who funded your campaign?” — Make sure you have a video camera running when they are questioned, and broad cast their answers.
Q2. “If the Federal Government sent troops to march on our State, to whom would you give your allegiance, to our State or to the Federal Government?”
Q3. “To whom does this State belong: to its citizens, or to the politicians?”
Q4. “Do you think the people have the right to sentence any state politician to death, if he betrays their State’s sovereignty?”
Q5. “Do you believe this State is sovereign, just as much as any sovereign nation, in all things but foreign affairs?”
The answers are obvious to these questions. By their responses you will know which politicians in your state can be trusted.
In addition, getting the bill passed with take concerted effort.
Citizens need to set up 24/7 watch on all legislators and the Governor and expose any NWO influence peddling.
A specific but general enough warning from the people against this, should also be made: threaten every legislator with investigating every detail of their activities, if they should vote against these 2 bills. Identify the legislators or politicians who are opposed and have concerned citizens follow them like paparazzi, to catch them in any illegal activity in which they might partake.
That might sound dirty, but its a fight to the death for liberty, and it is not immoral to intimidate a legislator through just and non-violent means to do the right thing.
4. Mobilize a mass of grass-roots activists to lobby for the legislation.
Found PACs nation-wide to raise money now for this initiative.
Network these together through blogs which advocate this legislative reform. Found a lobbying group in each state’s capital to receive funds and put into effect 24/7 lobbying: flood the opposition out. Staff lobbying group with the most loyal patriots: speak frankly and patriotically; be patient and courteous.
Target one or two states for the first go around.
Lobby: take legislators out to lunch, dinner, etc., anything that is legal to show them they will benefit from passing this bill. Run ads on TV, in the newspapers, on Radio: explain the Bills and expose opponents’ arguments as phony.
Mail flyers, go house-to-house; have phone-call campaigns; get civil organizations involved, such as firemen, policemen, vets, rotaries, churches etc..
Explain the benefits. Emphasize the fruits and profit in liberty and auto-sufficiency. Explain the evil effects of foreign and out-of-state influence, etc..
As for point 5 and 6, these can easily be achieved if points 1-4, and especially 4 are implemented well.
I respect Dr. Viera, but this is not going to do anything. Look at the last line “reiterate this process until the bill finally passes and is signed into law.”
Obama will not sign this.
if you use gold // or silver to establish a currency…it can be tainted by FOREIGN investors///legal or not….the currency should be established……by each state’s established ..worth….a coinage in principle back by productivity…or say trade worthiness of commodity in interstate only…at first
Money needs to be backed by something, not necessarily gold and silver, Why not Oil? But it could be anything of value- timber, cows, beans&rice(?) anything is better than nothing! I still maintain that Texas should secede, and be soon joined by Oklahoma and Louisiana, perhaps others. A new Constitutional republic, energy independent, economically viable, and defensible. Also a gov’t that can issue a bond, can also issue notes. Just not through a robber-baron interest-charging Central Bank, like the FED!
I think it is Montana and Tennessee that are standing tall on the 2nd Amendment. not Wyoming (they might) and Kentucky. It didn’t quite make it in Texas last time.
This is all mental mastibation.
You have walked the walk and talked the talk and now your butt’s have over loaded your mouths. It is all over guys and gals. Not one person on this site has done anything other than run their mouths. You have a senator Republican from Mi. asking all patriots to be in the halls of D.C. on thursday at noon. And you sit here and run your mouths to tell us how smart you are. You have a leader who has asked for help and you still run your mouths.As I have said the time has passed for no one will show up in D.C. and when they come to your homes I will laugh now for you all have gotten just what you have asked for.
tux,
Back in your cage! She is a Congresswoman, and I got a little farm to run and animals to look after. You got nothing, and you’re closer, you go, have a ball. I got new scope for an old rifle to zero!
tux why don’t you substitute “we” for “you” in your diatribe and next stop attacking the proverbial “collective” as if you are the only jackass who understands what is going on in the world…
I’m guessing nobody has ever followed your “lead” because of your poor attitude and condensing manner…. still got a hole? get back in it until you come up with more constructive things to say. Some people are working together to motivate and mobilize, and if you had been paying attention you would have noticed many signs that their efforts are paying off.
You’ll be in DC right?
This sounds like a great plan which, if carried out exactly as described, would certainly reclaim our constitution. It could be done in 50 or so years IF there was no opposition and every part of the plan went exactly as written. But we are in the real world, and from where I sit it looks like a pie-in-the-sky plan.
How to regain the power of the purse: He starts the first few paragraphs with “one.” “One” ends speculation . . .; “One” outlaws a banks . . .; “One” guarantees . . followed by requirements of the State Bank. Who is the “one” that is going to do all this, and how can anyone be sure the people running it are honest and knowledgeable enough to do it right? Will they be elected by a vote of the people? Or will they be appointed – by whom? Require mortgages to remain with the bank that issues them. And what about the billions of dollars in outstanding mortgages? Just erase them? Make them payable immediately? Or let them ride for 30 years until they are all paid off? Our savings – they will be worthless or just valued at far less?
How to regain the power of the sword: A bill in the state legislature allowing the establishment of a militia? And how is “one” supposed to get that passed and approved by the governor? Are the people going to vote on this, or will it be done by people who are appointed by other people? And who would they be? And who is going to form the think tank, and where will those people come from? The word “militia” is considered horrifying by most people. It has been an uphill struggle for years to be allowed to keep our guns in our closet, and you think people are going to agree to a militia?
Find patriotic, courageous and sagacious legislatures: The hard part for sure. So when you ask the candidates these questions, what makes anyone think their answers will be honest? Have you already forgotten how they lie? Will the final appointees be selected or elected? We already follow the legislatures and report their illegal activities – nobody cares. We complain about them, write letters, put up posters, make phone calls and speeches and, instead of being thrown in jail, they are elected again and again.
Mobilize a mass of grass-roots activists: That will be the easiest part of this, although it will be very hard to get anywhere near a majority. We did that with the 912 groups – remember Washington Sept 12th? The result of that was . . .what? Zip. Form a lobbying group to receive funds? Funds from where? Who picks the lobbying group and who disburses the funds? Who decides where the funds go and watches them? We have mobilized already – it’s done by both sides for every election. The guy with the most money, the fastest mouth, and often the least honesty, usually wins.
Some states have declared their sovereignty, but what good did it do them? The federal government told them that was a nice try but their new-found sovereignty didn’t mean squat so they should sit down, shut up and continue doing what the feds tell them to do. Now what?
You are forgetting to factor in the opposition. For every step in this plan there will be vicious opposition that will use every vile trick in the book to stop you. They have the press under their control. The opposition is able to outspend the activists mainly because they have no compunction about receiving foreign and/or illegal money. Have you already forgotten Obama’s donors and who they were? Do not underestimate the opposition – they are well-educated, well-spoken, likeable, and incredibly dishonest. They will infiltrate every area in this plan, gradually take over, and we will be right back where we started. And if by some remote chance you successfully complete every step of this plan, Obama, or whoever is president, and his congress will tell you to stuff it! Then what?
Why don’t we just demand all the bad people to go away, and only good people replace them? It won’t cost much, it will be much faster and easier, and will work just as well as this plan. This is a great and probably workable plan for organizing a boy scout troop or the local Women’s Club, but we are talking about a country with over 300 million people and their goals and ideas range from different to incompatible. Most of them will be against some parts of this plan, and more than half will be against the whole plan.
Come on – there must be a workable plan out there. Let’s hear it!
Molly,
You possess knowledge and reason beyond your years. You are absolutely correct. This article is written from the viewpoint of a complete idiot. There are to many ‘IFS” that must line up as in the stars or something. Those are not actual functioning and obtainable plans in any stretch of the imagination.
I fear there are many among America including many so called patriots tthat readily fall for this type of utter nonsense.
Again you are absolutely correct in pointing out the absolute folly in his thinking. His thinking denies all logic in any stretch of the imagination.
The only “if” he left out was perhaps the Easter bunny drops down from the heavens and saves our Country from Tyranny. I actually believe that could happen before ANY part of his plan could . ( Before you shoot me, I was just kidding to ridicule the author).
Molly,
One extremely important remark I left out in my last comment was the fact that the author of this article is a Lawyer. Now we educated folk know and understand that Lawyers for the most part reside in Never-never-land with Michael Jackson and his whacko perverted friends and followers. That should have clued we much wiser folk in to the origin of his nonsense.
The US Government has been USURPERED by a fraud and illegal President. We have absolute Tyranny within our land whether or not many will comprehend that.
The only way to regain our land within the short time we remain free is by force. That is the sad but undeniable fact. Once the Tyrannical Government places its’ citizentry under Marshal Law or has the proper time to complete their game plan for securing the chains upon our ankles, it will be “GAME OVER” for we Patriots as we will have no means of amassing a counter attack against our enemies. A willing and determined OFFENSE is the only means that will remove Tyranny from within our land!
I am Proud to know that there are a few TRUE fellow Patriots like David and Lynn who understand this fact. Now we need to find several million that recognize the need and emergency of immediate action!
Molly,
Good points, as usual. Excellent question!
So, here goes:
Trying to salvage the “Union” is futile. Some States have developed such a parasitic class of voters over the last half century that they are not salvagable as democracies. Unfortunately they are populous enough to keep ruining any elected Federal gov’t.
Therefore any real solution has to start with dis-Union. As States secede, they will have to have a Treasury to issue money. If and how it is backed will have be determined by the resources of the State. This may sound bad, but it is better then the present system because it cuts off the economic vampire of the FED! Morgages will be paid to the Treasury and the savings should be honored if possible. Assets of the Banks should cover savings.
Each State should have a “We the People” Constitution that guarantees the God given Rights of the People. Voting must be limited to productive and responsible Citizens. Dependents and parasites have no ‘Right’ to vote! Militia service is a responsibility of Citizenship, not ‘voluntairy’. Most States have a Militia clause in their Constitutions. I prefer Florida’s, “All able-bodied persons who are, or intend to be, citizens,”. Most State’s Constititutions read ‘Men between 18 (or16) and 45.’ The Militia is much more than an armed fighting unit. We’ll need Grandmas and Grandpas as much as Rambo-wanna-bes.
The political end at a State level will be much easier for the Citizens to monitor and control. There will not be the inherent Party-bound corruption of DC. All States have some corrupt pols, but the Revolutionary fervor will scare them off, or catch’em and hang’em!
The greatest weakness of ‘democracy’ is a irresponsible electorate, and this has been the goal of socialists since forever, and the Dems for the last 50 years. If voters must be citizens, financially responsible, and serving when necessary in the local ‘militia’, 90% of the problems disappear.
Example- Illegal Immigration - Pass a law that defines Illegal Immigrant. County Sheriff supervises Militia to round up, identify, confiscate all goods and property except one suitcase per person and transport to border, either Mexico or Union state. Do it one time in one problem area, and in a week no more illegal aliens, they will pack their stuff, sell what they can’t carry and leave.
“Dr. Edwin Vieira proposed in July
(a) regaining the Power of the Purse through the introduction of an alternative-currency system based on silver and gold”
Jct: Jct: The only people who benefit from the Gold Standard of Money are the gold bullion brokers. I don’t have any. When the Human Time Standard of Money is adopted in a community currency network, everyone can play, not just those with yellow rock. See:
http://youtube.com/kingofthepaupers
The problem with such a system is that the money supply would then be tiny based on our GNP. Or, the price of gold would have to be about a million dollars an ounce. I bet Ed Vieira has a lot of gold stored up somewhere.